Russia Ukraine: War soon?

[gcode]

It will remind you of WW2

edit .. the web link is behind a paywall

I was able to read the whole article through this twitter link

https://twitter.com/wretchardthecat/status/1513151818058313732

A long article from the WSJ

Ukraine and Russia poured reinforcements into eastern Ukraine this weekend, preparing for what is likely to become the war's biggest battles as refugees continued to flee the looming Russian assault.

Russia's main objective now is to seize the parts of the eastern Donbas region not yet controlled by Moscow. Unlike the first phase of the six-week-old conflict, that shift is forcing Ukraine into fighting conventional battles involving tanks, artillery and aircraft on flat, often barren terrain that allows Russia to leverage its superiority in military equipment.

Fresh Russian tank and artillery units, as well as forces withdrawn from areas around Kyiv, began arriving in recent days to staging grounds for the offensive north of the Ukrainian city of Izyum, according to footage shown on Russian military television. Ukraine, too, started moving toward Donbas combat units from areas of northern Ukraine that it recovered after Russian troops retreated.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called for urgent assistance ahead of this new round of the conflict, warning that Moscow hasn't given up on its aspirations to subjugate Ukraine. "Russia can still afford to live in illusions, gathering new armor and new troops on our soil. And that means that we need even more sanctions, and even more weapons for our state," he said in a late Saturday video address.

Attempting to disrupt the Ukrainian redeployment, Russia has said that its forces carried out a series of airstrikes on Ukrainian railway hubs. Some 52 people died in Friday's Russian missile attack on the railway station in the Donbas city of Kramatorsk just as it was packed with civilians trying to board evacuation trains toward the relative safety of western Ukraine, according to Ukrainian authorities. Moscow denied it carried out that particular strike.

[gcode]

Th eUkranian War just got much bigger
This is a very good summation of things to date and a review of where things are going

So far, 52 persons are confirmed killed and at least 100 injured. A western aid worker for World Central Kitchen was nearby, helping distribute food at the station at the time. He "counted between five and 10 explosions."
Ukraine's prosecutor general's office later said that nearly 4,000 people - mainly women and children - were at the station at the time.
With this attack, the latest in several like it - and coming on the heels of the Russian massacre of civilians in the formerly occupied town of Bucha in northern Ukraine - the war in Ukraine has transitioned to a new, much larger stage. Now going on for just under two months, neither the Russians nor the Ukrainians have yet attained their military objectives. That Ukraine has not expelled Russian forces from the country is hardly surprising, but Russia's vaunted land-power war machine is shown to be creaking with rusty obsolescence and incapability, plus poorly trained, poorly equipped, and poorly supported soldiers.

[gcode]

Ukraine won the battle for Kyiv.
The surviving Russian troops have pulled back to Russia.
Putin is concentrating his attacks further east where his supply lines are shorter.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-10

https://thehill.com/policy/international/3263436-ukraine-won-battle-of-kyiv-official-says/

https://nypost.com/2022/04/10/ukraine-won-the-battle-for-kyiv-but-combat-in-donblas-ramps-up/

[pmartin]

You know Comrade Newbeeee, your support of Putin's invasion is tiresome. 

[pmartin]

I guess I'll have to take your word on the not supporting Putin thing.

[Leehound]

You know that I'm not supporting him at all.
All I'm questioning though, is all the BS we're being fed....

Although I do fully understand, that it is engrained into the US psyche, that Ruskies are bad.

So you think this Russian invasion is fake?

[BrianP.]

You know that I'm not supporting him at all.
All I'm questioning though, is all the BS we're being fed....

Although I do fully understand, that it is engrained into the US psyche, that Ruskies are bad.

So you are saying that there really is no war? It's just figments of our imagination? I guess it's just a military action.

I mean you expect this from the Russians and their allies but jeez to someone who actually has access to multiple news sources it's kinda mind boggling.

[CNCAppsJames]

You know that I'm not supporting him at all.
All I'm questioning though, is all the BS we're being fed....

Although I do fully understand, that it is engrained into the US psyche, that Ruskies are bad.

Even merely trying to understand where your enemy is coming from according to leftists means you support the bad guys. Never mind all the NATO expansion (which that lying CIA and ex POTUS shitbag Bush 1 PROMISED we would not do), never mind all the stuff Clinton, Bush 2, and Obama (and their respective rogue CIA agencies) did to destabilize the region, never mind all the NGO support for all the color revolutions in former Soviet states, never mind all the covert CIA operations we did to rey to destabilize Russia proper. Never mind all that. You're a Putin apologist and just as bad as Hitler... thus sayeth @pmartin and his Saul Alinsky adherents and fellow comrades on the left.

[CNCAppsJames]

So you are saying that there really is no war? It's just figments of our imagination? I guess it's just a military action.

That's not what he's said at all. He's merely put forth the  opinion that things may not be as what they are being presented to us as.

I'll go a step further and state that had we not renegged on our promise in the early 1990's to not expand NATO, there would not be this war going on in Ukraine. Had we not fomented revolution in the former Soviet states, there woudl not be this war going on in Ukraine. Had we not try to destabilize the region, we woudl not have this war in Russia. THis war is 100% our doing. This isn't evil thug Putin trying to do thi, that, or the other thing.

We didn't like it when the Soviets put nukes on Cuba. We were minutes away from war. Putin doesn't like nukes in his backyard either, and he went to war over it. He's got a 100% legit beef. Not saying he is going about solving the beef in the right manner.

There's a difference between understanding wher eyour enemy is coming from and supporting an enemy. Try to understand the difference.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

You know that I'm not supporting him at all.

I know...

Did you see the video with the missile markings that Italian reporters photographed? Ukrainians were saying they were Russian made but inadvertently didn't realize the markings were exposed. The Italian reporters spotted them right away and secretly took the photos. Munition experts seeing them said the markings are not fake and that those were not made from Russians.

I saw the video on Twitter. I think I saved it (favorited it) but,... I can't go on Twitter now to look. (The Cleveland Guardians are playing baseball now and I DVR'd the game. Can't go on Twitter or I'll see the updates on the game)

[CNCAppsJames]

There's shady stuff going on over there. Like SERIOUS shenanigans with information; who's doing what, where they are doing it, and when they did it. Forming opinions from the propaganda the "news" outlets are spewing out and treating it as gospel is foolish at best.

"War is good for business." Doesn;t matter if it's a guns, bullets, missiles, etc... war, or the war on a virus. War is war, only the recipients of the money changes. Except in the case of the "news" outlets... they benefit from ALL of it. NEVER forget that.

[Incogneeto]

That's not what he's said at all. He's merely put forth the  opinion that things may not be as what they are being presented to us as.



We didn't like it when the Soviets put nukes on Cuba. We were minutes away from war. Putin doesn't like nukes in his backyard either, and he went to war over it. He's got a 100% legit beef. Not saying he is going about solving the beef in the right manner.

There's a difference between understanding where your enemy is coming from and supporting an enemy. Try to understand the difference.

Nailed it.!! Nice James.

Now figure when Trump says "Putin is No Fool"

The media comes out and says "Trump supports Putin".

As I see it Putin does not agree with being surrounded by Nato. I don't blame him.

He is not only protecting his borders , But his ability to protect himself.

Or Russia as he sees it.

Sooo Brass Tacks???

Newbeeee may be "Spot On"

And James ain't stoopid.

Yes, Understand The Difference

[CNCAppsJames]

...
As I see it Putin does not agree with being surrounded by Nato. I don't blame him.

He is not only protecting his borders , But his ability to protect himself.

100%

The fact the shitbirds in the media haven't even uttered the words "cuban missile crisis" when speaking about the events leading up to and surrounding Russia's invasion of Ukraine tells me they aren't capable of delivering even a broad undetailed  overview on the situation. Their opinions are pure trash and come from uninformed opinions or worse; state sponsored propaganda and are too stupid to know the difference.

[Incogneeto]

100%

The fact the shitbirds in the media haven't even uttered the words "cuban missile crisis" when speaking about the events leading up to and surrounding Russia's invasion of Ukraine tells me they aren't capable of delivering even a broad undetailed  overview on the situation. Their opinions are pure trash and come from uninformed or worse, state sponsored propaganda.

Lester Holt "I don't need both sides of the story to report the news"

yes that is a quote.

I watch him daily. "I keep my friends close, and my enemies closer"

He is a large tool in the disinformation. NBC news.

find any purpose or pose to advance the directive.

Today it was sexual violence from Russian troops.

Then revert to mask mandates in our cities.

[Jeff]

So you think this Russian invasion is fake?

So you are saying that there really is no war?

How in the hell are you guys coming to this conclusion?